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cliff will really have. tonight we tackle the much-discussed concept of increasing tax rates for the top 2%. chief business correspondent ali velshi joins me now. help us cut through the spin. the partisans all have a different take on this. if you raise taxes on the top 2%, what's the impact? what does it look like and how much of an impact would it have on the deficit? >> well, let's look at it in two ways. one is income tax, right? right now, the highest earners, those households that earn more than a quarter million dollars a year, pay a higher tax rate on the marginal amount, the amount above the $250,000 a year. so we're talking about taking that rate from 36% to 39.6% if we even go there. that hasn't even been negotiated yet but that's 3.6% on every dollar you earn above $250,000. there are not a lot of studies that suggest that that would have catastrophic effects on the economy. the other area that democrats want to raise taxes are on investment income, things like capital gains, dividend income. no
cliff will really have. tonight we tackle the much-discussed concept of increasing tax rates for the top 2%. chief business correspondent ali velshi joins me now. help us cut through the spin. the partisans all have a different take on this. if you raise taxes on the top 2%, what's the impact? what does it look like and how much of an impact would it have on the deficit? >> well, let's look at it in two ways. one is income tax, right? right now, the highest earners, those households that...
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brian moynihan was talking about small businesses impacted by the fiscal cliff. i did an interview yesterday afternoon with someone who has done hundreds of channel checks and works in the same areas as you and warns me that he's seeing softness. take a listen. >> we're seeing now october, november little bit of a slowdown. it's due to post-election blues. fiscal cliff coming up. you had hurricane impact on the northeast when most of the companies report fourth quarter sometime in january i think they will probably see some sort of a modest slowdown versus that third quarter trend that we saw. >> let me take you specifically to a note out you have this morning on the cruise liners where you are talking about the trends there. the pricing there continuing to deteriorate at a time when royal caribbean is up 42% year-to-date. carnival up 19%. what do you make of that area now? should people sell? >> i guess i would say contrary to what your guest just said from bank of america, we are actually seeing weakening signs across all four sectors. we cover hospitality broa
brian moynihan was talking about small businesses impacted by the fiscal cliff. i did an interview yesterday afternoon with someone who has done hundreds of channel checks and works in the same areas as you and warns me that he's seeing softness. take a listen. >> we're seeing now october, november little bit of a slowdown. it's due to post-election blues. fiscal cliff coming up. you had hurricane impact on the northeast when most of the companies report fourth quarter sometime in january...
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we talked about a lot of things including the looming fiscal cliff. talked about business concerns as you head into the end of the year and even what to expect in 2014. bank of america has 55 million customers here in america. they represent one out of every two households. so moynihan has a very good idea about what consumers are doing and if they spending less because of the fiscal cliff. here's what he had to say. >> i'm more about business behavior than consumer behavior. people continue to spend, housing is a little better. all the things that affect stock market are in decent shape. the question was will everything going on cause them on slow down again. >> what are you you see rg businesses right now? >> almost a year and a halving a go, businesses getting concerned about the nature of the dialogue about the fiscal situation? washington and in europe and the issues that had to be dealt with long term and how it affects near term business in terms of what would be accelerated appreciation for investment in business. what will be the final demand
we talked about a lot of things including the looming fiscal cliff. talked about business concerns as you head into the end of the year and even what to expect in 2014. bank of america has 55 million customers here in america. they represent one out of every two households. so moynihan has a very good idea about what consumers are doing and if they spending less because of the fiscal cliff. here's what he had to say. >> i'm more about business behavior than consumer behavior. people...
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is this a reaction to the fiscal cliff? >> well, we started reducing our municipal debt a couple years ago when the recession was on and state governments were having a hard time. we just had too much. we had about $26 billion. now we're down to 13. i feel good at where we're at. we reduced it for four reasons. if you're loaning somebody money, right, you want to make sure they got income to pay you. you want to make sure they got decent balance sheet. you got to like the management team. you got to like governance. in many of these states, we didn't like all four of them. we thought they didn't have any money, weren't generating enough tax rev news, their governance was terrible. so we said, you know, we're just going to get smaller. >> hurricane sandy, big hit? >> $1.75 billion. about a quarter worth of earnings for us. i toured the damage yesterday. all the devastation you'd expect. i saw all the places. the interesting thing was what you don't see in those tapes are the american resilience. people pick themselves up and
is this a reaction to the fiscal cliff? >> well, we started reducing our municipal debt a couple years ago when the recession was on and state governments were having a hard time. we just had too much. we had about $26 billion. now we're down to 13. i feel good at where we're at. we reduced it for four reasons. if you're loaning somebody money, right, you want to make sure they got income to pay you. you want to make sure they got decent balance sheet. you got to like the management team....
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is it irrelevant to your business if we go over the fiscal cliff? how does a ceo look at what's happening in washington and decide for next year? >> most of the ceos look at the situation in washington with complete amazement and dismay to be frank about it. the problem is the ideological pinnings on both sides of this argument are so difficult to bridge that it's going to be hard for them to get a deal. >> he also said that they're fighting the wrong fight. i asked would you be willing to pay higher taxes yourself? warren buffett says rich should pay higher taxes. he said the fight should be about the corporate tax rate, doing things to goad corporations into spending money and into hiring, and into really building out their business, not just for small business but for big business, too. that's what the argument should be. the argument over tax rates for the rich is the wrong fight to be having. >> what worries me about this, you said these big ceos like fred smith will make decisions as we get closer to the fiscal cliff, because they have to kick
is it irrelevant to your business if we go over the fiscal cliff? how does a ceo look at what's happening in washington and decide for next year? >> most of the ceos look at the situation in washington with complete amazement and dismay to be frank about it. the problem is the ideological pinnings on both sides of this argument are so difficult to bridge that it's going to be hard for them to get a deal. >> he also said that they're fighting the wrong fight. i asked would you be...
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what nancy pelosi may tray to do today to avoid the fiscal cliff. >>> also, a bay area pot club in limbo. the next legal move that may decide its future. oh, you have a keurig vue brewer? oh, it's great! now i can brew my coffee just the way i love it. how do you do that? well, inside the brewer, there's this train that's powerful enough to carry more coffee and fresh water to make coffee that's stronger and bigger... and even hotter! actually, i just press this button. brew the coffee you love -- stronger, bigger, or hotter -- with the keurig vue. >>> cloudy to mostly cloudy skies. rain to the north. already beginning to pick up up, it looks like on the marin coast and also to the north, sonoma, heavier rain will move in late tonight and torm morning. not as strong as the past three systems. >>> 8:12. new this morning, iran is claiming it has captured a u.s. drone. iranian state tv showed an image of the eagle drone. iran says it captured the drone after it entered iranian airspace. but a u.s. navy spokesman said no american drones are missing in the middle east. he says some u.s. scan
what nancy pelosi may tray to do today to avoid the fiscal cliff. >>> also, a bay area pot club in limbo. the next legal move that may decide its future. oh, you have a keurig vue brewer? oh, it's great! now i can brew my coffee just the way i love it. how do you do that? well, inside the brewer, there's this train that's powerful enough to carry more coffee and fresh water to make coffee that's stronger and bigger... and even hotter! actually, i just press this button. brew the coffee...
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gridlock in washington over the fiscal cliff making stock investors really nervous. stocks are acting unpredictable. so watch out ahead here. companies should be making hiring and spending plans for next year. instead they're left wondering whether consumers are going to take home less money, and that government agencies can slash spending. a recipe for recession. i asked the ceo of fedex how companies plan ahead when washington is so dysfunctional. >> well i think most of the ceos look at the situation in washington with complete amazement and dismay, to be frank about it. the problem is, the ideological pinnings on both sides of this argument are so difficult to bridge, that it's going to be hard for them to get a deal. >> that's right. other ceos i talked to yesterday said they think it will be hard to get a deal, soledad and it's kind of a grim move right now in d.c. about how long it's going to take -- >> xavier becerra, it sounded like compromise could be on the table because they're going to come to this cliff deadline that will put pieces in place that maybe
gridlock in washington over the fiscal cliff making stock investors really nervous. stocks are acting unpredictable. so watch out ahead here. companies should be making hiring and spending plans for next year. instead they're left wondering whether consumers are going to take home less money, and that government agencies can slash spending. a recipe for recession. i asked the ceo of fedex how companies plan ahead when washington is so dysfunctional. >> well i think most of the ceos look...